ok, so i'm not going to go into specifics but this weekend was a bit crazy and i did something i could easily get DF'ed for...but the thing is, i don't really feel bad about it! being raised in the org, your always taught that "wrongdoing" is inevitably attached with unbearable guilt but i'm not really feeling that right now...i'm not sure if i'm just a bad immoral person or whats going on....
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crazy weekend....am i going to hell????
by red so deep inok, so i'm not going to go into specifics but this weekend was a bit crazy and i did something i could easily get df'ed for...but the thing is, i don't really feel bad about it!
being raised in the org, your always taught that "wrongdoing" is inevitably attached with unbearable guilt but i'm not really feeling that right now...i'm not sure if i'm just a bad immoral person or whats going on....
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The Will JW kids/students be the next big threat to the Watchtower Society?
by truthseeker inthe internet has only been around for 10 years, yet it has profoundly changed the way we live, work and entertain ourselves.
particularly for children, they have readily adapted to this technology so much so, that teachers and educators are finding that their traditional based curriculums are leaving kids bored.
these are the kids who are used to surfing, instant messenging and downloading digital music.
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Do you think the younger generation of JW's will pose a threat to the Society?
I really hope all my fellow JW teens will make a very informed decision before flushing their lives down the WT toilet....and if they do, than yes, it will pose a "threat"....(read:less money)
Well, what happens if they tell their parents what they found on the Internet on Jehovah's Witnesses?
Than maybe we can take down some of the middle aged dubs in the process! What i've told my parents, about the UN scandal in specific, has shaken their faith a bit. I'm not trying to make it seem like their religion has f*cked them, but i'm just trying to show them some of the things about the org that you'd never know if you just read their publications....
What happens if they leave when they see the truth?
Hmmm, they will live normal lives??? gasp
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??the flood of noah's day....evolution?? can you take the bible literally
by red so deep inhttp://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html
lately in my research on the subject of the feasability of taking the bible literally, i ran across this very interesting article about the flood.
this website has some other great resources if the evolution/creation debate interests you, as well as some thought provoking articles on jw belief here:.
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http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html
lately in my research on the subject of the feasability of taking the bible literally, i ran across this very interesting article about the flood. this website has some other great resources if the evolution/creation debate interests you, as well as some thought provoking articles on JW belief here:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/jw-book.html
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friend getting DFed tonight and my upcoming meeting....
by red so deep inwell it looks like my friend's dfing is getting announced tonight.
she decided not to try an appeal because she really doesn't want the stress of telling the story all over again, and she's heard horror stories from one of her friends that was dfed about 12 elder appeal committies and whatnot.
i've really been trying to help her out and let her know that it's going to be incredibly difficult but that i'll be there for her even though i'm baptized (when i was 11 years old..great decision...) pretty much all of her friends will be cut off from her, except for the few "worldly" friends she has, but it doesn't sound like her mom will really allow any association with them either.... so we'll see how the weeks ahead turn out... i also have a meeting thursday night with two elders in my hall.
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"Don't you know that anything you say that is contrary to the teachings of the WTS is grounds for being DFed for apostasy?"
to be honest, i've heard that, but i was never really aware as to how strictly they held to it. i suppose it never hurts to keep it on the safe side though....
i was actually supposed to have that meeting tonight, but i postponed it so we wouldn't have to have it at the KH...
and i guess, good news about my friend! um, at her mothers strong advice, she put in an appeal letter...so hopefully the other 3 elders that the appeal committee is comprised of will realize the first 3's mistake. this is all so asanine. i've really had it with the whole disfellowshipping debacle and all the unnecessary stress and crap that comes from it....
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"Worldy Girlfriend or JW Girlfriend... Help Me Choose" - ONE YEAR LATER.
by Confucious injust under a year ago, i started this thread... .
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/61598/1.ashx .
i started to date this jw girlfriend.
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that's awesome that you found a new love that doesn't have to take a backseat to the WT! congrats man...
heh, that thing about the hair you talked about reminded me of myself...i like to wear my hair long too, but the good ol' elder father tries to put the smack down on it when it's worldly length is going to bring reproach on god's name.
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friend getting DFed tonight and my upcoming meeting....
by red so deep inwell it looks like my friend's dfing is getting announced tonight.
she decided not to try an appeal because she really doesn't want the stress of telling the story all over again, and she's heard horror stories from one of her friends that was dfed about 12 elder appeal committies and whatnot.
i've really been trying to help her out and let her know that it's going to be incredibly difficult but that i'll be there for her even though i'm baptized (when i was 11 years old..great decision...) pretty much all of her friends will be cut off from her, except for the few "worldly" friends she has, but it doesn't sound like her mom will really allow any association with them either.... so we'll see how the weeks ahead turn out... i also have a meeting thursday night with two elders in my hall.
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gumby and narkissos, you're advice really gives me something to think about. i might have been a little hasty in deciding to come forward with doubts at this meeting. i really want to stick up for what i believe in, but at the same time, in this organization, the consequences for that can be disastrous. if i can fade and keep it somewhat under the radar, that seems to be the best way to go, but i'm not exactly sure how to go about it....
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friend getting DFed tonight and my upcoming meeting....
by red so deep inwell it looks like my friend's dfing is getting announced tonight.
she decided not to try an appeal because she really doesn't want the stress of telling the story all over again, and she's heard horror stories from one of her friends that was dfed about 12 elder appeal committies and whatnot.
i've really been trying to help her out and let her know that it's going to be incredibly difficult but that i'll be there for her even though i'm baptized (when i was 11 years old..great decision...) pretty much all of her friends will be cut off from her, except for the few "worldly" friends she has, but it doesn't sound like her mom will really allow any association with them either.... so we'll see how the weeks ahead turn out... i also have a meeting thursday night with two elders in my hall.
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ugh...she's going to the meeting because if she wants to get reinstated later, she heard that being there at your disfellowshipping "displays humility". yeah, humbly subjecting yourself to the decision of the holy spirit (i.e dumbass elders who had it in for her anyways)
i just feel an obligation to explain myself to these elders, not because they're elders, but because they've been good friends to me and my family since i can remember....
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friend getting DFed tonight and my upcoming meeting....
by red so deep inwell it looks like my friend's dfing is getting announced tonight.
she decided not to try an appeal because she really doesn't want the stress of telling the story all over again, and she's heard horror stories from one of her friends that was dfed about 12 elder appeal committies and whatnot.
i've really been trying to help her out and let her know that it's going to be incredibly difficult but that i'll be there for her even though i'm baptized (when i was 11 years old..great decision...) pretty much all of her friends will be cut off from her, except for the few "worldly" friends she has, but it doesn't sound like her mom will really allow any association with them either.... so we'll see how the weeks ahead turn out... i also have a meeting thursday night with two elders in my hall.
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hey everyone, thanks a bunch for the support! all this happening now would be terribly difficult without you guys!
well, as for the announcement tonight, i belong to a different congregation than the one my friend goes to, so i probably will have to attend a different meeting. but she is planning on going and sitting in the back room and leaving after the announcement is made. it is going to be crazy there, because she has a lot of family in the hall and plenty of people are going to be shocked i'm sure. it's such BS too, because the local needs after a DF'ing is always about what the person got DF'ed for, so that's just going to be another slap in her face.
as for my meeting, well, i'd like to be kinda vague about everything, but i feel like i should give some explanation for why i haven't been out in service or at the meetings...and i'd really like to come forward with my problems with the org. sooner or later. if it comes to that point though, i would much rather DA myself then get DF'ed for my doubts. but i still have alot to think about, and i guess we'll just see how things end up.
but thanks again everyone! i'm so grateful to have people that understand life in the org and the experiences of those who have left it as well!
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friend getting DFed tonight and my upcoming meeting....
by red so deep inwell it looks like my friend's dfing is getting announced tonight.
she decided not to try an appeal because she really doesn't want the stress of telling the story all over again, and she's heard horror stories from one of her friends that was dfed about 12 elder appeal committies and whatnot.
i've really been trying to help her out and let her know that it's going to be incredibly difficult but that i'll be there for her even though i'm baptized (when i was 11 years old..great decision...) pretty much all of her friends will be cut off from her, except for the few "worldly" friends she has, but it doesn't sound like her mom will really allow any association with them either.... so we'll see how the weeks ahead turn out... i also have a meeting thursday night with two elders in my hall.
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well it looks like my friend's DFing is getting announced tonight. she decided not to try an appeal because she really doesn't want the stress of telling the story all over again, and she's heard horror stories from one of her friends that was DFed about 12 elder appeal committies and whatnot. i've really been trying to help her out and let her know that it's going to be incredibly difficult but that i'll be there for her even though i'm baptized (when i was 11 years old..great decision...) pretty much all of her friends will be cut off from her, except for the few "worldly" friends she has, but it doesn't sound like her mom will really allow any association with them either.... so we'll see how the weeks ahead turn out..
i also have a meeting thursday night with two elders in my hall. i'm under the impression that it's for "encouragement" but i think i'll probably come forward with some of my doubts about the WT to explain my waning interest in "kingdom matters." i probably shouldn't whip out the UN scandal or any of that type stuff because i highly doubt they would know anything about it and would just call my blasphemy crazy. ughh..this should be an intersting week....
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i can't believe this.....
by red so deep inwell, looks like one of my best friends is getting df'ed.
unbelievable.. aah, to begin with, her parents split up when she was about 11 and her dad is more or less a deadbeat who wasn't really a part of her life even when she was suicidal....and her mom is rarely there for her, and sometimes gets drunk and physically abusive.
her mom remarried and she lives with her and her stepdad who are never at home.
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i too, was shocked when i found out that she was going to be DFed. she is so sorry for what she's done, she was crying through the entire meeting. i know for a fact that if they say the she was DFed cause of unrepentance that it's bullshit. i'm really struggling to see how they can think that this is whats best....
i've been there for her as much as i can be. heh, i "snuck out" of my house last night at 2 am (the same night as the judicial meeting) to go talk to her, and we've spent hours talking about everything since it happened... i'm just really worried that after the announcement is read, my association with her will be cut off completely. not that i really care about breaking WT law; i would have no qualms about getting DFed for associating with a disfellowshipped person, it's just i think that would make her feel even MORE guilty.
Elsewhere, it's funny that you should mention jesus association with prostitutes and tax collectors, cause i actually brought that up when i was talking to her last night. i'm going to try to help her make sense of all of this, especially since i really think she's being disfellowshipped wrongfully. i don't know where all this will take me, hell, if i go to the elders and make a fuss about it who knows, i might be DFed next!
but thank all of you here very much, it really helps to talk to people who have been through this type of thing before!